I decided to try my luck at salt water reef setup. after reading everything on pennys website for about a year I dove in. penny guided me through the process of initial setup. 220 gal. tank. finally after about 6 months I was finally ready for my first livestock order. they were to arrive on Thursday nov. 15th. well here in good old pa. we had our first snow of the year. order did not show up until 3 pm. on Friday the 16th. 48 hours or more in box. I was a little concerned. my order was a fairly big cleanup crew 4 dwarf angels and 4 corals. everything was alive and healthy. although they all wanted out of those bags. point is don't be afraid to order from penny. fish started to eat the very next day. corals are opening up nicely. snails are all over the place. I will say though the cucumbers are very ugly. pennys great will not go anywhere else for the rest of my livestock.